The Victorian Values promoted by such hetrosexual bigots as Chris Carter

Silly, silly man.

Labour MP David Clark, a Presbyterian minister, said there was an absence of advice for gay marriage in the Christian scriptures, particularly in Jesus’ words.

“I suspect he would say that marriage is frequently paraded in the media by those who claim a Christian viewpoint as really a thinly veiled defence of Victorian morality.”

Mr Clark voted for the bill.

Jesus didn’t live in Victorian England. He lived in ancient Israel. The morality of that time comes from a strict interpretation of Leviticus, whose laws indicated that homosexual behaviour should be stoned*. Victorian England merely locked up homosexuals.

In fact it’s even sillier than that – way sillier.

Rt Hon HELEN CLARK (Prime Minister):

NZ Herald June 21 2004 “Should people who want to have legal recognition of a marriage be able to get it? The Government says yes, but you can’t marry. Marriage is only for heterosexuals. The Government is not — underline — not, changing the Marriage Act. That will remain as an option only for heterosexual couples.”

TIM BARNETT (Labour – now Secretary General of Labour):
1st Reading “The Civil Union Bill is an acceptable alternative; marriage can remain untouched.”

Hon CHRIS CARTER (Labour):
1st Reading  “I accept that marriage has a traditional and religious heritage, which is why our churches are so protective of it ….Having said that, I utterly reject the idea that the State cannot create an alternative way of recognising couples—be they straight or gay—…”


1st Reading “The Marriage Act applies only to heterosexual couples. The opponents of the Civil Union Bill feel strongly that that should remain so.The Government respects that view, which is why there is no proposal to change that Act.

Hon DAVID BENSON-POPE (Labour, Associate Minister of Justice):
1st Reading “Through the Civil Union Bill, the Government …is also confirming that in New Zealand marriage remains solely available to a man and a woman. Marriage will continue to be covered by a separate Act and recognised as a separate institution. …The social, religious, and traditional values associated with marriage will remain”
3rd Reading “Marriage remains something available solely to a man and a woman. Civil unions offer an alternative to those unable to marry, or who do not wish to marry.”

Idiot/Savant is calling for homophobic bigots to be kicked out of the Labour party. But really, one has to wonder how these people were allowed to stay given their “Victorian England values” only 8 years ago.



*True, he challenged some aspects of it. But he focused on the self-righteous way it was being enforced.

1 comment

  1. Totally agree and, to a large extent, support this. I have Victorian morals in a lot of respects, including the issue of gay marriage. But if it wasn’t for my Christian background, I wouldn’t have these Victorian morals, so I wouldn’t have the particular view that I do.

    There’s nothing wrong with Victorian morals, as long as they’re balanced. This country was settled under the reign of Queen Victoria, after all.

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