I was not going to blog on the Sperling matter, as that’s been covered reasonably well elsewhere.
But I thought it might be worth fisking the Paepae. I’ve edited out the ridiculous dramatic pictures he’s inserted throughout.
I didn’t want to be the one who ‘broke the news’ that, as the Herald on Sunday‘s Kathryn Powley put it in her story ‘Blogger told to stop‘:
a blogger has been ordered to remove dozens of posts and comments from her website and issued with a restraining order against a lawyer she harassed on-line.
Rob Kidd at the Sunday Star-Times put it this way in his piece ‘Biting blog given last post using stalker law‘:
Judge David Harvey issued blogger Jacqueline Sperling with an indefinite restraining order to protect lawyer Madeleine Flannagan, a rare case in which the Harassment Act has been used to cover blogging.
With respect, I frowned at Rob Kidd’s reference to “a blogger who launched an online campaign to ruin [the lawyer’s] reputation”, since it imputes motivation. He’s also wrong in fact when he states about the 2012 case: “Judge Harvey ordered some posts be taken offline …” No, he did not. The article misstates some other facts too, as I read it.
One could argue that Sperling didn’t use the entire internet to try and destroy someone’s reputation. But repeatedly lying about that someone on her blog… yea, I think that’s a pretty fair description. That’s certainly how the court saw it.
Peter is correct however that Harvey did not order posts take offline. But the truth is a bit more subtle than that. Sperling took a lot of material offline for the case, and then later put the same material back up after the judgement was delivered. No doubt this was pointed out in the court, and I have little doubt that the judge was unamused at being played.
The background — what a difference a year makes
Last year I wrote about the unsuccessful attempt to obtain a court-sanctioned restraining order against a blogger who had engaged in repeated criticism (some would say denigration) of two other people, also bloggers, one of whom was a lawyer originally engaged to make it all stop.
And by “repeated criticism” he means one’s employer and telling them one is a drug addict.
That application failed for a number of reasons, as canvassed in my post Implications of recent internet gagging attempt and in comments following.
Broadly, as I read it,last year’s action failed because:
(1) The applicants had ‘engaged’ online with the blogger. (Both the original applicant and the lawyer acting for her who joined the legal action after the blogger turned her flamethrower in the lawyer’s direction.) They were also seen by Judge Harvey as robust enough to handle the ‘distress’ they claimed was caused by the blogged comments. The lawyer, in particular, had earlier engaged in online and public debate from a religious standpoint about contentious law reform issues like abortion and civil unions.
(2) The applicants were seen by the Judge at that time to have ‘put themselves in harm’s way’ by seeking out and reading the blogger’s comments.
Unfortunately, the judge erred in calling both parties “robust”. It is regrettable, because that particular aspect flew in the face of some rather solid evidence.
(3) The Judge considered it a big step under the Bill of Rights Act to interfere with someone’s freedom of expression notwithstanding that expression may amount to harassment, and
(4) The Judge suggested that if defamation was alleged, then a civil prosecution seeking remedies along those lines would be a more appropriate avenue than an application for ‘restraint’ from ‘distress’ under the Harassment Act 1997.
Also true enough. But Peter fails to mention that a number of instances of harassment were established, and in one instance, harm. To quote the new decision: (available on Kiwiblog link above)
 In my decision I addressed three issues:
(a)Whether the blog posts can fall within the ambit of the Harassment Act 1997 as a means of performing a specified act and if so in what circumstances. In my decision I answered that question in the affirmative.
(b) In such circumstances the next issue was whether the behaviour of the respondent amounted to harassment for the purposes of the Act. Once again I answered that question in the affirmative.
However the harm was mitigated by the behaviour of Sperling – that the lawyer’s boss could easily see that Sperling was a compulsive liar and thus, the allegation presented had no credibility.
Significantly, in his 2012 decision declining the application for restraint, Judge David Harvey alsowarned the blogger to cut it out.
Well, she didn’t (partially provoked by the lash of opprobrium directed at her, see below). Now he’s ordered her to. As reported above, the Court has issued orders which amount to a comprehensive ‘take down’ and indefinite gagging.
“partly provoked” – uh, no. Sperling put up a boastful claim of vindication before any other person commented. Certainly my own postings started a full two days later.
How did we get here?
Apparently a month after Judge Harvey’s dismissal of the 2012 application for a restraining order, the lawyer, still stung by the slings and arrows that led to her failed court action, and citing some new ones published in the aftermath of the decision, launched another application.
 On the 10th July 2012 Ms Flannagan commenced these proceedings. It will be noted that the proceedings were filed less than a month after my decision. Those proceedings were based upon subsequent comments that were made by Ms Sperling in respect of which the applicant considered that a restraining order should, under the circumstances, issue. [emphasis added]
So — kind of an instant appeal, but not quite.
Now this comment is true – but it misses some detail.
Specifically, the detail that Sperling had posted private bank details for the Flannagan’s with the stated goal of disrupting the Flannagan’s fundraising efforts to get Matt to a conference.
By doing so, she put her foot firmly across the line the judge had drawn. And that’s after she ignored the judge’s advice to let the whole thing go.
Let me say (as I did at the time) some of the statements and slurs against the lawyer were ghastly and professionally challenging. A filtered version of some of those allegations, along with rebuttals in the form of an extended right of reply from the lawyer’s husband and some of her other (mostly anonymous) supporters, appeared in the comment stream of my original post on the 2012 judgement. They are also repeated in Rob Kidd’s article — reflecting the Streisand effect in action.
The Streisand effect is well known by all parties here, and is regrettable in this instance.
The blogger also filed complaints with the Law Society against the lawyer and her lawyer in the first case, causing professional issues for them — serious and stressful, no doubt, albeit temporary.
Temporary, because the law society recognised the harassment for what it was and quickly dismissed the complaints – many of which appear to have been laughably ridiculous.
The blogger copped a great deal of vile abuse and bullying herself, and suffered gross character assassination (mostly anonymous) elsewhere on the internet. It’s hard to overstate the ferocity with which some who claimed to be upright god-fearing citizens attacked, spat at and pilloried the blogger, dredging up her past and publishing the nastiest of NASTY tirades against her — let me stress again:anonymously — in what can only be seen as a protracted effort to discredit her.
This blogger made a point not to dredge up her past. There is no point. (I do admit to wondering aloud at times if she really is off the drugs, given her behaviour.) It’s what she is doing at present that concerns me. In fact, all my posts on the matter have this in the footer:
Please do not place abusive comments on her blog, phone her, or approach her or her family as she will blame this on her victims.
Now the lawyer’s reprise of her Harassment Act application has worked its way through the court system, this time without her openly ‘engaging’ with the blogger (indeed, the lawyer appears to have removed material about the dispute from her own website) and offering the court what the Judge called ‘a large amount of information’. And this time the lawyer represented herself:
 In support of her application she filed an affidavit dated 10 July 2012 and in addition has filed affidavits dated 7 September 2012, 12 March 2013 and 13 May 2013. She also relies upon an affidavit of her husband Mathew Flannagan dated 12 July 2012. [emphasis added]
 The affidavits that have been filed by Ms Flannagan contain a large amount of information. Essentially that information can be divided into the following categories:
(a) Actions done by the respondent on her blog.
(b) The circumstances of the applicant and her particular position which gives added “sting” to the comments made by the respondent.
(c) The surrounding context of the applicants activities and
(d) The nature of the distress caused to the applicant.
Sadly, the previous case showed that all points of fact had to be thoroughly established.
The blogger, on the other hand, continued to blog but did not participate at all in the new court case.
 No steps have been taken by Ms Sperling. She has filed neither an opposition nor affidavits in reply. She has not appeared at any hearing.
That strikes me as a shame.
Sperling has a partner who is an ex-lawyer. So her non-participation is not due to lack of free legal advice.
In fact, I understand she has a consistent pattern of not showing up for court. In the previous decision, she made a great show of putting together an affidavit that appeared to be solely written for her blog, because she posted it there but did not take the time to present it in court. Because she was trying to pretend to be the victim in that instance, the affidavit didn’t actually address any of what she had been accused of and had the judge scratching his head trying to work out what she was on about.
What could have genuinely been a landmark New Zealand court ruling about restricting internet/new media freedoms seems to me flawed by the total lack of defence offered — giving the case an appearance of being one-sided or unbalanced. That’s my layman’s view. Note that Judge David Harvey, regarded as NZ’s ‘Internet Judge’, sat on both matters. I respect him, as I have said before.
To say it was unbalanced due to lack of defence, assumes a valid defence was possible. I’d suggest that the fact that she didn’t turn up to court shouts to the world that one was not. I mean, she did post those bank details. She was condemned by her own words.
According to his judgment released to the parties last week (4/6/13) the blogger has now been ordered to remove (by my count) 26 specified blog posts and about 50 specified comments (not all by her) from her website, and to delete from it any mention of the lawyer’s name or anything that could identify her, even by inference.
As I read it, she is also restrained —indefinitely restrained, until released by order of the court — from publishing any mention of the lawyer or anything which may identify the lawyer or her family on her blog or any website she controls.
Does that seem like a good thing to you? Well I guess it depends where you stand. Let’s discuss it.
What has happened in effect is that the blogger has been sentenced to a public flogging, with her reputation (and photo) once again dragged through the Sunday papers, news and other websites, while her right of reply is severely curtailed. Yes, she could talk to the media, but given their history of exploitatively, pruriently invading her privacy, why the hell would she? Who would advise her to trust a reporter? Not me. (And I say that as one.)
Technically, she’s been sentenced to one public and one private flogging, since this is the second decision of this nature against her this year.
That’s right, the second. The first coming about because of her demonstrable contempt for a previous restraining order.
Disclosure: The lawyer sent me a copy of the decision (apparently within 24 hours of receiving it herself) with a request that, as a result, I ‘remove material’ from ThePaepae.com
Disclosure: as far as I can tell, Peter has done the right thing and removed the material.
But … what about freedom of speech?
Judge Harvey reported his wrestle with the Bill of Rights Act and freedom of expression issues (even referring to the Law Commission’s recommendations-in-progress on digital media) like this:
 In making the order that I have which, although it is described as a restraining order, falls within the ambit of a “take down” order contemplated by the Law Commission in its Ministerial Paper Harmful Digital Communications I have given careful consideration to Ms Sperling’s rights of free expression under s. 14 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. I have weighed each post and considered whether, in terms of content and the competing interests of the parties, the removal of the post would amount to a justifiable limitation upon Ms Sperling’s free expression rights.
 I further order that Ms Sperling be restrained from publishing Ms Flannagan’s name or any material that may directly or by inference lead to her identification or any other details about her or her family, explicit or implied, on her blog WonderfulNow or any other on-line forum accessible by the public which she can moderate.
 Ms Flannagan also seeks an order that Ms Sperling publish a retraction of certain matters. I am not prepared to make such an order. I consider it beyond the scope of a restraining order and compromises the integrity of the future restrain on publication of material regarding Ms Flannagan that I have made in the preceding paragraph.
The Duration of the Order
 Under s 21 the Court may make a restraining order for such period either longer or shorter than one year as the Court considers necessary to protect the applicant from further harassment. Normally an order subsisting for one year is sought but in this case Ms Flannagan seeks an order lasting longer. She sought one lasting for 10 years in her application but extended it for an indefinite period along the lines of the order made in favour Mr Spearrit (sic) in his proceedings in the Manukau District Court.
 A restraining order by its nature interferes with an individual’s liberty in a free and democratic society. In some cases freedom of movement may be the subject of interference by a restraining order. The freedom to communicate within an individual may be the subject of a restraining order. In the context of blogs, as I mentioned in my decision of 15th June 2012, there are implications for the freedom of expression pursuant to the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. In considering the nature and duration of the order one must take into account whether or not an order and its duration are justifiable limitations upon the guarantee of freedom of expression.
 In this case serious aspersions have been made against Ms Flannagan’s character which are causing her distress and will continue to do so. Those aspersions will probably last throughout her professional life if allowed to continue. The “take down orders” that I have made have taken into account the importance of interfering with Ms Sperling’s freedom of speech as little as possible but to obtain sufficient ￼￼relief for Ms Flannagan. As in all cases of this nature it is necessary weigh the interests of parties.
 If Ms Sperling’s behaviour had been in “real space” and her communications been in the nature of letters or pamphlets posted upon a wall an order restraining her from doing so in the future for a set period of time would be realistic. However the new environment of the Internet has qualities associated with digital communications technologies that are paradigmatically different from those of the pre-digital paradigm intrude.
 Like the printing press which brought with it characteristics that were not present in scribal communications, digital communications technologies contain with them characteristics or qualities that are peculiar to the medium and underlie the message. One of those qualities is that of persistence of information summed up in the phrase “the document that does not die”. Whilst phenomena such as link rot or the takedown of web sites may provide a form of immediate relief, traces of the information will always be present especially if some of that information has been re-communicated or alternatively stored on the Internet archive.
 A restraining order will have a mitigating effect of this quality in the sense that by removing the information it will no longer be available for search engines and consequently any ranking will decline on search sites such as Google. I recognise, as does Ms Flannagan, that the “persistence of information” quality of Internet material will not remove the information entirely. A further problem is that with a limited term order, say for one year, it would be perfectly capable for Ms Sperling to repast the information again upon the expiry of the order and the whole process would commence anew. The problems suffered by Ms Flannagan would once again rear their head. In this respect it seems to me that there is justification for an order that would subsist for more than a year and the restraining or take down orders that I have made in respect of the various pages identified in the previous section should subsist until further order of the Court. In that way if Ms Sperling considers that there is justification for reposting the material she may apply for a discharge of the order under s 23 of the Harassment Act or for variation thereof under s 22.
Further, Judge Harvey ordered costs against the blogger…
 Miss (sic) Flannagan seeks costs. Under normal circumstances a self represented litigant is not entitled to costs but pursuant to Rule 4.17 of the District Court Rules 2009 a solicitor who is a party to a proceeding and acts in person is entitled to solicitors costs.
[I’ve left out paras 85 to 88 detailing why he declined Ms Flannagan’s application for costs of the previous failed 2012 action.]
 However Miss (sic) Flannagan is entitled to costs in respect of the current proceeding and I am prepared to award costs on a 2B scale pursuant to schedules 2 and 3 of the District Court Rules 2009…
 I order costs accordingly and that sum to be paid by the respondent to the applicant.
In other words, the judge found that Sperling had utterly abused her right to free speech to the point where an order was fully justified.
My personal view: This is a big deal.
So, is this how it is in New Zealand now?: If the ‘target’ of derogatory comments is determined enough, and can convince a Judge of their ‘distress’ at material about them published on the internet and that such (untrue?) comments and criticism may have a professionally deleterious effect on them, they can, eventually, gain a take-down and wide-ranging indefinite gagging order like this.
I don’t think the determination of the Flannagan’s had much to do with it (though, that is one of their most admirable qualities!).
Sperling should have taken the first judgement as a “let off with a warning”. She should have been careful at the very least to stay within the bounds of the law, since those bounds had been defined for her own, personal benefit – and mailed to her door to boot.
Instead, she took the judgement as a get-out-of-jail-free card, claiming vindication. But while “case dismissed” is all very well and good, Sperling should have taken a leaf from the Bible where it says “go and sin no more”.
I note that Judge Harvey rejected the lawyer’s overreaching in two instances — claiming costs for the previous failed court action, and seeking a statement of retraction as part of her application for a restraining order. That said, there’s no doubt the lawyer had a significant ‘win’, undefended as it was.
I understand there were sound legal reasons to make those applications, but that’s the way the law is sometimes.
Oh, and full marks for the way he uses “overreaching”. Mr Aranyi is nothing if not an experienced spin spinmeister.
But I find the whole thing chilling and unsettling. (You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. From what I’ve read, it’s clear the lawyer, her husband and their supporters see it differently. Naturally.)
Also her other victims.
We can’t be certain, but reading the decision, it seems inescapable to me that this was a case where the Judge formed a view of the comparative ‘character’ of the parties. (See para  above).viz. The respondent — who offered NO defence, made NO submissions, and took NO PART in the proceedings, versus the applicant — who gave him “a large amount of information” with multiple affidavits swearing to the nature of her distress
Oh, that sounds one-sided, doesn’t it?
Never mind that most of the material would have been written by Sperling herself. Never mind that it would have included the other recent decisions against her, showing a consistent patter of on-line behaviour.
… and about whom he (amusingly, if you actually know any lawyers socially) says in the last sentence of his paragraph :
 … the use of that information and the post by Ms Sperling clearly continues the pattern of behaviour that she adopted alleging “con” activities by Ms Flannagan. It should also be noted that Ms Flannagan has completed a law degree, passed her professionals and has been admitted as a Barrister and Solicitor of the High Court and as such must be found to be a person of good character. [emphasis added]
You can’t call anyone a con artist. If you do, you’d better be able to prove it and Sperling could not.
I don’t know the blogger, Ms Sperling. I’ve never met her, not even spoken to her. We’ve corresponded, and I’ve read her comments here at ThePaepae.com and occasionally on her own blog.
I think the man doth complain too much.
She seems to me to be an intelligent person, given to passions, enthusiasms, fixations and the urge to ‘express’ — like most bloggers. She’s been through a firestorm of stress in her personal life over some years. Some of it has been dragged needlessly into the public eye (and that not of her doing) due to what I see as little more than prurient interest by some in the media. But by the look of it, she’s a fighter and she’s rebuilding from her previous challenges and set-backs, and trying to improve her life. I don’t whitewash her actions but I have empathy for her. As I do for the lawyer.
Sperling came to public attention after she tried (and then pretended she had not) to blackmail Michael Laws. I’ve heard a lot more about her character than will ever be published, and while I hope she turns her life around, I have yet to see any evidence she is addressing the issues at the heart of her life.
There’s no question in my mind that much of the blogger’s ‘output’ was tit-for-tat reactive. A good deal of it, she says, was in response to disgusting online attacks and abuse of her — much of it FOUL and published by anonymous ‘commenters’, as I observed — in the name of ‘truth’ and ‘justice’.
Again, I condemn those.
A supporter of the lawyer, using the pseudonym ‘Scrubone’, himself engaged in a lengthy vitriolic campaign of cyber-bullying and name-calling, flinging the blogger’s past at her and repeatedly calling her a ‘liar’, ‘insane’, etc. I would call his ugly course of action ‘harassment’ by any standard. To my mind Scrubone’s deeds were every bit as foul as those of which he accused the blogger in this case. Perhaps worse. It was ‘disgraceful spittle’, as I told him and his pseudonymous mates when they dipped into the comment stream here on last year’s post. Although after our interchange he went back and amended some of his posts, I observe that Scrubone continues to actively malign and demonise her to this day.
I did a quick search. I discovered no instances of me actually using the word to describe her. I certainly have used the word to describe her actions, usually after having explained what they are.
There’s one here. A couple here – wait, those are actually sarcastically repeating Sperling’s comments.
(Update: Peter emailed me in response to my comment on his blog. He points out – and correctly – that I dubbed Sperling “LMC” or Little Miss Crazy. He criticised this, and I changed it as a result. I also stood by my calling her crazy to him directly.
Of course, LMC is a wrong characterization- Sperling is in fact legally married. I have long ceased using it.)
And the last one here. I’ll quote that one:
I hope by now that you’ve worked out why I’ve told this tale like it was a fairy story – it’s well into la-la land.
- She has attacked one person.
- That person hired a lawyer, who she attacked even more viciously.
- That person hired a lawyer, who she also attacked
- Now the courts have declared that she is not the victim, but rather the perpetrator, the harrasser not the harrassee, and she is in response considering laying even more complaints.
This is insane. How long does she hope to carry this on? Will she lay formal complaints about her victim’s, lawyer, lawyer’s, lawyer? What about that lawyer’s accountant? How about the guy who sells the accountant his coffee?
Ok, there’s also this one. It doesn’t use the word insane, it uses the word nuts. And I made a note at the top, where I explained that in hindsight I was not too proud of it. But even in the original, I ended thus:
Ok, there’s a cheap shot that can be taken here.
But I’m not going there. I actually respect someone who’s walked away from the life that Ms Sperling once lived.
My problem here is not her history, it’s what she’s doing with her present, and the fact that while she appears ready to move on from her past of damaging herself, she’s instead shifted to damaging those whom she comes across in her day to day life.
Clearly, I’ve dredged up her past and flung it at her. /sarc
I’ve called her a liar. That’s a true statement, as Peter has admitted himself. In fact, he’s even lied to him.
Strangly, Peter has been challenged to find a false statement in my blog, and has failed to produce one. Because that would concern me.
…. Although after our interchange he went back and amended some of his posts, I observe that Scrubone continues to actively malign and demonise her to this day.
I should have stuck to slick spin I guess.
I did amend some of my posts, see the last link. But the implication is that I’ve been blogging continuously about her. This is false. The last post I wrote was on 30th of August. I have made the odd comment elsewhere, particularly on the Kiwiblog thread above where I participated in the discussion.
But let me quote what is probably the most objectionable part of that last post of mine.
But speaking of which, I’ve hinted previously that Sperling’s online bullying is larger than just a couple of victims. There are other matters she is has been called to account for. Not sure what I should/can say but suffice to say, if she is jailed, I’ll let my readers know if I’m able to.
(That case is the private one mentioned above. I probably should have blogged something but sleeping dogs and all that.)
I’d just like to talk about a couple of other things before I conclude.
Sperling previously tried to pretend that her place of study was a state secret, even though it could easily be discovered by anyone. At the time I posted on it, I thought I’d not name her institution of learning since she seemed to consider it private. However, it’s pretty hard to believe someone wants something private when they post it on facebook for the world to see.
So if you have a problem with Weltech giving a recidivist online bully privileged access to vulnerable people, give ‘em a call and tell them (respectfully) that you find their ethical stance appalling. I certainly do.
The fact is, Sperling is a recidivist online bully. She does have access to vulnerable people at Weltech. And her history shows clearly that this is something that should be of concern.
Let me be absolutely clear. I make no apology whatsoever for stating that, and stating it repeatedly. It is my firm belief that people will die because of Weltech’s actions, indeed, Sperling’s actions have already been the instigator of at least one suicide attempt.
The idea that what I’ve done is anything close to what Sperling has is absurd. I’ve written a fraction of the posts, and much more tempered language (well, overall) grounded in provable facts. But you’re welcome to go and see and make your own decision. At least on this blog, you can read the material for yourself, and not rely on Peter’s characterisation of it.
Indeed, where you see characterisations, and not the original material, that should be a red flag. Go find the origional and see if it does indeed meet the description.
Finally, there’s one key difference between what I did and what Sperling did. (No, not that I don’t use my real name.) But since Sperling has not wised up to it, I’ll keep it as my ace-in-the-hole.
How do you disengage when things are broken?
This episode has probably been both a symptom and a cause. In my observation, the blogger did not respond well to what she saw as attempts to silence and intimidate her before this. (It’s a challenge. I understand that.) As I said in discussion about the first case:
Threatening lawyers’ letters are by their nature an aggressive act, in my opinion. Their deployment is almost always bound to raise the temperature, however carefully written.
But there’s an old saying: ‘If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.’
Fortunately, Madeline is not just a lawyer. I understand that a number of avenues have been explored. However, she has not been the first person to find that the only thing Sperling actually acts on are court orders. You can see in this post just how bizarrely she lashes out at someone trying a non-legal route.
I have no doubt of the ‘harassment’ effect of repeated legal threats, correspondence by email and text, then the stream of affidavits, claims, statements and counter statements that follow filing an application with the court. Litigation can be akin to war with a suit on. For those who’ve not engaged in it, let me tell you, litigation is like being hunted by a predator. It’s very stressful.
No doubt. That’s why the best action is to be reasonable and see if you can come to some sort of settlement out-of-court. Blogging how stupid and insane the lawers are on the other hand…
Some people, including a male solicitor engaged by the lawyer in the first failed application for restraint, and the lawyer’s original (female) co-applicant, have apparently approached the educational institute where the blogger is studying, seeking to ‘raise concerns’ and curtail her studies. These same people complain about the effects of the blogger’s actions on their careers. Ironic. (I also see that as abandoning the high ground.)
Not really. It’s Sperling’s actions that show that she is completely unsuitable for the career she is studying for. On the other hand, she has complained about Madeline to the law society, and that complaint was found to be harassment itself – completely baseless slander.
I have met the lawyer Madeleine Flannagan and her husband Matthew. They appear to be sincere and decent people who, it seems to me, struggle with the two-edged sword of themselves living in the public eye in a small way — debating public morality and religious apologetics — and wanting to be seen as leaders in the Christian community and suitable candidates for financial support from that sector. They appear to me to be acting to vindicate themselves.
Er, hang on. To vindicate oneself, don’t you have to have done something wrong in the first place?
I said this last year to the blogger about the lawyer’s initial entry to this fracas:
It seems clear they were trying to PUT SOMETHING RIGHT, as they saw it. They were responding to your words and actions.
I strongly believe that’s the case.
… In my opinion, no-one goes to the lengths Mrs Flannagan, in particular, went to just out of spite. I just don’t believe that of her. Not at all.
Time to leave it, Jackie. Disengage.
If I may quote Voltaire … “A long dispute means both parties are wrong.”
It’s also inescapable that some of the blogger’s comments and statements were offensive (reactive or not) and her ‘campaign’ of criticism and denigration protracted and potentially threatening the lawyer’s reputation and livelihood. The lawyer faced the dilemma: if she left the comments and her unsuccessful Harassment Act application unchallenged, what impact might that have on her future career and employment prospects? Yet if she pursued redress and vindication, as she has, what impact would that have? Tricky.
It’s an old trick to hide your admission of facts you don’t like way down the page.
You may wonder why I tend towards a contrary view to Judge Harvey, whom I admire. Let me explain.
It’s not just about feeling squeamish. I worry at the extraordinary censorship the judgement orders and its possible effect on MY OWN CIVIL LIBERTIES — specifically my right to free speech.
Reading the decision — which was thrust at me, as I disclosed above — I learned that the there exists another indefinite restraining order in relation to someone else. (There’s the ‘precedent’ if there is one.)
The private judgement mentioned above.
Well, let me say this: There are people whom I’ve repeatedly criticised, even castigated — and whose actions and track records I’ve catalogued here on ThePaepae.com. I’m sure some of them would loveto see this website and its content ‘swept clean’ and me barred from uttering their names, in this manner.
I’m not being fanciful. As I detailed in my post The peasants are revolting and elsewhere, the operators of the PropertyTalk discussion forum were intimidated by repeated ‘threats of legal threats’ into expunging whole threads of genuine ‘consumer warning’-type information about property spruikers preying on the public. Substantial censorship occurred —ex-Sponging, I called it, after the name of one hyperbolically sold subdivision whose promoters were highlighted in a discussion thread before that was ‘removed for consideration’ never to return. Likewise, the Richmastery thread — containing hundreds of posts about those now-bankrupt spruikers, their questionable claims and dubious marketing methods — was removed from view on PropertyTalk in a ‘clean up’ operation.
In a very real sense, that censorship-under-pressure by the operators at PropertyTalk was a trigger for me to set up ThePaepae.com, as a platform for publishing such important things and where carefully stated information and warnings would persist.
I agree with Peter – suppression of the truth is a very real concern. But supression of outright lies isn’t.
Coping with smears
Around the time I was detailing the questionable marketing methods of another bunch of internet marketing whiz-kids, a series of blogs (not blog posts — actual blogs) sprung up on the internet usingmy name and a series of unflattering keywords in an apparent attempt to smear me (see: Internet ninja cowboys … spoofing revisited). Is that reputation-endangering ‘harassment’? Well, yes.
But I bear the scars and bite-marks from those operators and others. I stand in the scorn of their sock-puppets. Those spruikers needed to be exposed.
My own approach when garbage is thrown at me is to address it directly, then go on ‘building’ my own reputation by contributing useful, positive material and interactions … which I trust the search engines will find more relevant. That’s not a path the lawyer in this case chose to follow, evidently. We choose to differ.
So, as you can imagine, given that background, I gave a very hard look at the ‘request’ I received from the lawyer in this case — that I ‘remove material’ from The Paepae. I’m disinclined to accede to any such broad request partly because I think she and her supporters have made substantial use of a right of reply here at The Paepae.
In other words, he’s so fond of using the truth to counter lies that he’s quite willing to leave proven lies on his blog. Er, what?!?
Put yourself in the blogger’s shoes: How many court cases (and appeals — even de facto appeals like this one with a self-representing lawyer) would you fight before you’d say,‘Meh, I don’t need this’and get on with your life? The trouble is that certain people on the lawyer’s team seem to be taking action to sabotage the blogger’s future — as noted above, citing their ‘concerns’ about her suitability for her new career. Such actions move from ‘seeking vindication’ to bitter vindictiveness in my book.
I personally don’t find it bitter vindictiveness to seek to keep someone who mocks rape victims for fun away from other sorts of victims.
While I agree with Judge Harvey about the challenges we all face in the age of “the document that does not die”, his order prevents the blogger from (ever?) writing her side of this online, — even to the extent of saying that she herself FELT harassed, threatened and intimidated by the lawyer’s relentless communications: emails and texts, the stream of legal papers and affidavits accusing the blogger of all sorts of woeful actions and character deficiencies. That stuff has an emotional impact on non-lawyer people, believe me, I know.
Sperling was at all times able to end the “harassment”. It was her continued insistence on attacking her victims (plural) that got her into this trouble. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
And now, I guess, she’ll face demands for payment of ‘costs’.
As I read the decision (and I’m not a lawyer) the blogger is restrained from a right of freedom of expression online — or where she has moderation power. Would Judge Harvey similarly rule against a book spelling out her side of the dispute? Or a first-person account published in a newspaper or a magazine? Do you begin to see the problem?
The entire point of this decision (as I understand it – not a lawyer either) is that it takes the law that already exists for books, etc, and applies it to blogs. So Peter has it completely backwards.
I would NOT like to see the ‘take-down’, ‘harmful digital communications’ approach used in this case become widely-used. It seems draconian to me, personally, even allowing Judge Harvey’s careful consideration of the ‘weight of the interests of both parties’.
You may not agree with the blogger or her actions. You may see her activities as reckless, malicious vindictive and personally/professionally damaging toward the lawyer. Certainly Judge Harvey seemed to perceive them so, but let me ask you, even without allowing for her real sense of provocation:
Is this the way to deal with people who act that way? Really?
Sperling’s pattern of behaviour goes far beyond even the descriptors above. She actively ruins lives. I’d have more respect for Peter if I didn’t know he’d actually met one of the victims himself.
Perhaps it does seem right to you. For myself, reading this latest judgement in the context of the one last year, observing how the lawyer has learned from her previous defeat in court and adapted her approach, reminded me of the closing words of one of my authors Olly Newland in his book Lost Property …
“Remember that all too often justice comes through the cheque book. If you can afford the huge costs of a court battle you are far more likely to get a fair go. If you cannot pay you will probably miss out. Tough luck.” — from ‘Lost Property — the Crash of 1987… and the aftershock’ by Olly Newland. (p158 second edition Empower Leaders Publishing 2007)
‘If you can afford the huge costs …’ Olly says. Well, yes.
And what if you’re facing a lawyer representing herself, as in this case?
As I mentioned above, this criticism is invalid given Sperling had her own access to legal advice. And I’m (sigh) sure Peter knows that too. Like I say, spin.
Another of my authors, accountant Mark Withers (Property Tax – A New Zealand Investor’s Guide) tells the story of a dispute he was in with the Inland Revenue Department on behalf of his clients. He informed the tax inspector they intended to take the department to court over the issue. “That’s all right”, said the IRD man. “We’ve got deeper pockets than you. We’ll just keep appealing it ’til you run out of money.”
Again, Peter knows that Madeline does not have deep pockets. How many lies of implication and omission is that now? I should have counted.
As I mentioned above, the lawyer faced a dilemma. She made her choice. Using her professional expertise and better making her case for ‘distress’ this time, she outgunned her ‘opponent’ (who offered no legal defence) and she got her result: the indefinite suppression of someone else’s right to freedom of expression.
Had no legal defense.
Is that really a ‘win’?
Who will speak for you?
Let me draw my (lengthy, sorry) comments to a close with thisintense and discomforting poem from Martin Niemöller cited by the US Holocaust Musuem and others around the world:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me –
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Then they came for the bloggers –
Facts are stated to the best of my knowledge and commentary is my honest opinion. Corrections or clarifications are always welcome by email. Comments are open, but will be moderated in this case, given the history. I will not host attempts at character assassination.
It’s possible that this is Peter Aranyi’s honest opinion. I do for one have knowledge far beyond this case (i.e. other victims have emailed), so my attitude will always be a bit different. And it is hard to grasp just how evil a person Jacqueline Sperling is. .
But I do think that Peter knows more than enough to know that he’s spinning complete BS here. His final sentence states he will not host attempts at character assassination – yet that’s exactly what he’s defending.
This post is about Jacqueline (Jackie) Sperling, and is part of an ongoing series discussing her ongoing campaign of harassment and lies against lawyer Madeleine Flannagan, lawyer Simon Buckingham, and Ms Brown (her original target for harassment), as well as The Narrative – the alternate reality she presents on her blog in which she pretends to be the victim of her targets. You can read a court decision that outlines her campaign and the court’s assessment of The Narrative here. Please do not place abusive comments on her blog, phone her, or approach her or her family as she will blame this on her victims.
“I will not host attempts at character assassination.” written just after he has compared Madeleine’s actions to the methods of the Nazi’s in suppressing Jews, and trade unionists Seriously what a crock. Does he think his readers are really so stupid as to note see blatant contradictions in like this side by side.
Peter is a funny old fella, I remember him routinely deleting comments on his blog regarding this case.
Seemed a bit like censorship, something that seems to offend him now? (fair play though, even never deleted anything I wrote)
Look, I’m a huge fan of free speech but it is laughable to suggest that it has always been free and unfettered, there have always been limitations. And Peter knows it; he just very selectively applies his varying standards whenever it suits him.
Judge Harvey made a good well balanced (and reasoned) decision and made what I think will be good law
I guess it shouldn’t surprise me to be accused of dishonesty by you anonymous Scrubone.
It seems on your map of the world because I take a different view from you on this I am guilty of multiple ‘lies of implication and omission’, being a ‘spin spinmeister’ (sic), knowingly ‘spinning complete BS’ and describing something as my honest opinion when it isn’t.
Do you genuinely question the veracity of my statement that I have not met nor spoken to Ms Sperling? On what basis? You’re entitled to your doubt, but it is actually true.
My main point is this: Ms Sperling’s regrettable actions did not occur in a vacuum. You seem to take pride in yourself, anonymous Scrubone, that you feel you have used more careful language — sophistry — in your protracted cyber-bullying campaign against her, and that you didn’t start it until ‘two days after’ some post she published in response to the first judgement.
That ignores the stream of incendiary abuse, bile and accusations which had been directed toward Ms Sperling through various channels (including comments submitted to her blog, and elsewhere) in the long lead up to, and during that court case. Anonymous Scrubone, you’re just a part of the venomous clobbering machine that has relentlessly kicked and spat at her, mostly anonymously. I wouldn’t be proud of that.
It seems to me she has also been badly treated by elements of the news media.
I don’t recall ever accepting a “challenge[…] to find a false statement” on your website anonymous Scrubone, so it’s moot to claim that I “failed to produce one”. I do remember saying:
“I don’t have time nor the desire to comb through your blog to see what a well-balanced human being you are aside from this nasty ‘truth-telling’ campaign against Jacqueline.”
Yes, my response published at The Paepae is my honest opinion. I also honestly think a proceeding under the Harassment Act may have been justified with respect to the first applicant (yes, I have met her. Your point?) but less so, in my eyes, in this second one/de facto appeal.
I tend to agree with some of the commenters on the Kiwiblog thread you linked to that perhaps this was a case more properly dealt with by defamation proceedings, and with those who, like me, raised concerns about free speech. But as I said: It’s a dilemma.
I reject your ‘Peter has it backwards’ contention. (So, is that ‘deuce’ or ‘love-all’?) and I note how Judge Harvey is sooo fabulous when you agree with him but has ‘erred’ when you don’t.
I said last year, I wish Ms Sperling hadn’t written some of what she had, I wish she’d ‘disengaged’ a long time ago. But I’m not in her shoes.
@Dave: Really? You equate my (ultimately futile) attempts to moderate that live comment stream at The Paepae with a court-mandated ‘take-down’ and indefinite gagging order? I don’t see it that way. And I don’t appreciate your (anonymous) implication that I am being somehow dishonest or two-faced.
@Matthew Flannagan: I understand where you’re coming from with reference to the Niemöller poem. It is discomforting, awful, to think our actions could be seen that way. I didn’t cite it to offend you. I actually quoted it to express MY OWN CONFLICT which is: ‘Why should I speak up for this woman when so many “good people” seem to want to vilify her?’ Gulp.
This is a complicated and fraught matter as I think Judge Harvey’s two differing decisions reflect. I’ve struggled with it, hence the somewhat meandering, sometimes double-sided nature of my comments. I’m sure glad I wasn’t the Judge!
But I don’t feel I’ve been dishonest, I don’t think my readers are stupid, I don’t feel I’ve been unfair or maligned you or your wife, and I am (as I told Madeleine in my 7/6/13 email) willing to discuss this with you and her in person again if you wish.
As for you dismissing my honest opinion as ‘a crock’ — well, thanks for reading it Matt, I guess.
– Peter 19/6/13
Peter, you said I had called her insane I see you have corrected that to crazy.
Yet, if you look through her posts, this is a word she uses with abandon. She uses it to describe lawyers up late the night before a case goes to court. I’m very comfortable calling her crazy back on things like that. Her behaviour has at times been deranged.
Like I say, there’s a massive difference between what I’ve done and what Sperling has done, and if you can’t work it out, I’m not going to give it away.
Yes, I do doubt your word that you have not met Sperling. I didn’t witness, but I give my source enough credibility to say that I certainly doubt your word. Certainly, my reading of this post tells me that you are not a very honest man.
1. With respect, I frowned at Rob Kidd’s reference to “a blogger who launched an online campaign to ruin [the lawyer’s] reputation”, – yet that was demonstrably true.
2. Implying the problem was repeated criticism, rather than actual harassment such as trying to get someone fired.
3. The lie by omission where you fail to mention that specific cases of harassment were found to be proven in the first case.
4. You’ve characterised the new proceedings as an “instant appeal” when in fact it was in response to new, behaviour. Worse, Sperling was warned by the judge in his ruling. (I do recall you repeating her line that the bottom line was “case dismissed”. Perhaps you regret that comment in hindsight.)
5. You’ve waved away as “temporary” the issues caused by Sperling’s vexatious complaints to the law society.
6. Oh, and you didn’t mention that they were clearly vexatious and frankly, ridiculous.
7. You’ve implied repeatedly that this ruling was only because Sperling didn’t have access to legal advise, and/or was outspent.
8. You’ve implied that it was the determination of the Flannagans, and not Sperling’s behaviour that caused the judge to rule.
And that takes me only part way through your post. Then there’s all the stuff about me. I particularly love how you say I called her a liar – as though somehow it is bad to call someone who repeatedly lies about other in order to ruin their lives, a liar.
Fact is Peter, Sperling was blogging for months without a reply from me. Zero, zilch, nada. She’s made her choice in life, and that choice is to defame people online. She says things that are completely and utterly false, often throwing in just enough truth to make it believable. As I’ve said before, She has taunted one of her victims for being a rape victim. That is seriously sick, and about as evil as you can get in my opinion. I’ve participated in the discussion, stuck to the truth, and you don’t like it.
I wonder why.
We’ve reached the end of the road anonymous Scrubone.
I made a simple, unequivocal statement of fact — that I have not met or talked with Ms Sperling, although we have corresponded.
You questioned that statement with an insinuation, at which I confirmed that what I said is actually true.
Now you say you don’t believe me.
That goes beyond us taking a different view of this case.
It seems to me your self-righteous rage at my disagreeing with you; calling you to task on your ugly, protracted, anonymous hate campaign (which you see as somehow ‘noble’ and continue to this day); and your fatuous word games e.g. ‘Yes, I called her crazy and nuts, but not insane’ has blinded you.
re your ‘source’: I’m aware that Cameron Slater last year falsely told the first applicant, Ms Brown (and probably Madeleine & Matt too) that I had been seen ‘conversing’ with Jacqueline at his cycle race against Trevor Mallard. As I told Ms Brown at the time: No, that is incorrect. We’ve (still) never met, never spoken. We can all speculate at Cameron’s motivations for his false statements.
Anonymous Scrubone, I can understand — and empathise with — an elevated sense of right and wrong driving your actions in this ‘dispute’. I think I have a lick of Asperger too, as I have disclosed: http://www.thepaepae.com/is-there-a-‘whistle-blower’-personality-type/163/
But you’ve lost the plot.
I write, broadcast and publish in my own name. I have nothing to prove to a malicious sock puppet like you vacuously shrieking ‘Liar!’ from behind a pseudonym.
Peter, don’t be ridiculous, and please don’t transfer your rage onto me.
You made a fact claim, I have stated that I have heard otherwise. I pointed out that you have in this single post made stretched, distorted and contradicted the truth. So dispute your protestations, I believe it, on those grounds, to be perfectly reasonable to doubt your word.
I’m not playing word games. You made a specific claim about me, that claim was false. You didn’t even do basic checking. Again, that speaks volumes to me. Worse, you claim loudly that I dredged up her past continuously – something I have specifically avoided. I repeat, specifically avoided. It seems you’ve decided what you want me to be, and have written about that. Hey, it make me sound worse(which is what you want), but fact is, it’s just not true.
Then even what I did say you claim to be horrified at. Yet, most of the time I when such terms were used, I was echoing the very words of Sperling, who you claim is my “victim”.
Peter, do you honestly think that Sperling becoming a counselor, given her well documented history of serious, utterly unrepentant and repeat harassment, will not lead to one of her clients committing suicide? Seriously?
Peter, indeed you do write in your own name. Good for you. I’ve done that in the past. Now, I chose not to. I use this pseudonym. I’ve used it for a long time, and your continual insistence that it’s some sort of sock puppet or anonymous thing is getting tiresome. Yes, it’s not my real name. But the person here makes his own decisions and uses a consistent handle.
See, here’s the thing Peter, you say I’ve lost the plot. Sperlings victims who email me say I’ve nailed her. I don’t think the two will ever agree. I personally find it more appealing to side with victims than smug PR people who publish slick spin on behalf of the perpetrators.
But let me complement you – your spin is among the most impressive I’ve seen. Perhaps you gave Sperling some tips?
The court case has been won. The judgement has been made.
The different sides are never going to agree on who’s a liar or who’s a bully, it’s like watching the wheels on the bus go round and round.
I understand that reputations need to be fought for and accusations need to be defended but all I see it doing is keeping it alive on the internet which is what, I thought, was the aim of the restraining orders, to keep it off the internet.
It’s time to stop talking about it on here and other blogs. Ring each other up, go meet for coffee and talk about the ins and outs of it all, in private away from the eyes of the blog world.
Time to move on and enjoy our loved ones and friends.
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