Apparently McCain has a distorted view of war. See, while he was being tortured for years on end, we all in the west had these groovy protests against the war and learned stuff… man.
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And Winston Churchill is a fictional character. I think this pretty much ticks the last “they’ll never do that” box on my list. Emphasis mine.
Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the Knesset, here, that to “negotiate with terrorists and radicals” is “appeasement.” The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists, particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference of 1938.
What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders had been redrawn 19 years before-and not to its benefit. In the democracies there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war. War produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad investment. It is not glorious. Don’t give anyone an excuse to start one.
Our Lefty copped a lot of flak over those words and he has now revised them somewhat. As with a lot of Leftist writing, what he has said is half true. A lot of people of the prewar era DID think Hitler’s demands were reasonable. To them, he was after all merely attempting to regain a small portion of the German territory that had been lost to Germany in the aftermath of WWI.
But people who thought that way were wishful thinkers. They were ignoring evidence that they did not want to see. As far back as Volume I chapter 4 of Mein Kampf, Hitler had made clear his intention to grab for Germany the territory of other nations. But people just did not want to believe that he really meant it.
Similarly today, President Ahmadinejad of Iran has made clear his intention of wiping the “tumour” of Israel off the map but again people are blocking their ears. Again they just do not want to believe it — even though Ahmadinejad has expressed himself most forcefully on the matter. It is clear that our Leftist editor thinks it is defensible for Obama to join the blocked-ears brigade but we must all fervently hope that whoever wins next November WILL learn from history. The clearly expressed aggressive intentions of extremists DO have to be taken seriously and prepared against.
It’s funny how people actually do what they say they will… like our Helen and her feminist friends.
This really deserves a decent essay but I haven’t time.
Here’s the deal. “Swords into Ploughshares” is a pretty obvious phrase. Turn war into peace.
So how do you do that?
Well, one way I can think of is having better information about those you’d otherwise be fighting. For example: if you can have good intelligence on a country you can find out if that new installation is just a fancy swimming pool for the president’s new lover, or a misile installation that could wipe you out in seconds.
There’s plenty of examples through history of war being started that could have been prevented by better information. One way to collect said information is through spy stations… like the one attacked this week.
My second point relates to the Gulf War. That war was stoped on the basis of a cease fire deal.
The guts of that deal was: we (the American lead coalition) agree not to invade and topple Saddam if he agrees to disarm, this included getting rid of all long range missiles, and his WMD.
To cut a long story short, it was failure to keep his end of the deal (yea, the WMD “weren’t found” but the UN inspectors did find missiles that breached the condition and were destroying them – it was all over the news at the time).
In other words, Iraq was invaded because of their failure to “Beat Swords into Ploughshares”. Well, there is no chance of Iraq invading another country now, or a mushroom cloud popping up over Israel with Iraq’s name on it. (Iran on the other hand…)
As one of the activists walked into the back of the court, he called out “one million dead in Iraq”. It’s true that a lot of people have died there, though one million is a figure that’s likely inflated by people bent on a certain political agenda. The vast majority of people killed were killed by terrorists, and more again were terrorists. The US should take credit for the latter, but to blame them for the former is to negate the actions of men who enjoy the pastime of the exact opposite conversion process to our protesters.
So please excuse me if I don’t join in congratulating the “ANZAC Ploughshares” group. I would consider their actions to be against the cause of peace in at least the two ways I’ve outlined. I’m sure there are more.
I didn’t have an ANZAC post. I wish I did, but I didn’t.
What I wanted to post on was how I make sense of the different sides of the “was it worth it” debate. I wasn’t able to do that because I never got all my thoughts collected properly. But here’s a few anyway.
I respect the solders who died in the various wars that New Zealand has fought in. It would be nice to say that they all died to make this country a better place, but they didn’t. A great many died in accidents, I suppose a few by their own foolishness, even before they got to the front. (Think those solders in the movies racing around in jeeps without seatbelts got away with that?)
Also, fact is that a lot of men have died because their commanders made mistakes. It would be fair to say that some commanders didn’t care about that.
But many did. And the fact is that without those sacrifices in WWII especially, many of us would not be alive. While many didn’t die on the front, they died in the process of the war. While WWI might have been avoided, it wasn’t, and the plan to capture the Dardanelles was a good one that might have shortened the wars, saving lives.
Today we see Iraq, where 4000 Americans have lost their lives, and many see there another foolish war. I, however, see a war that deposed a brutal dictator, and is now fighting terrorists that need to be stopped, terrorists who think nothing of slaughtering innocents. If by loosing a few volenteers’ lives in small wars, we can save millions of lives of people who never wanted to fight, so much the better.
I am from only the first generation in human history whose young men – teenage boys — were not forced by their country’s leaders to fight and kill the young men and teenage boys of other countries and be killed by them. My parents’ generation was the last such generation so far, and, I fervently hope, the last ever.
Sadly, I hold no such hope while I see people all over the world more interested in believing the word of murders, and calling good people liars. That is how wars start.
Ironically, those people are called “anti-war activists”.
Time will tell if they succeed.
Pity. They seem to be doing quite well.
Scott noted this morning that the principal of Forest Lake High School canceled the scheduled appearance this morning by Forest Lake alum Pete Hegseth and his fellow Vets For Freedom. The cancellation was prompted by an unspecified number of complaints from “parents and others;” the others apparently were leftists organized by Democratic Underground.
On only a few hours’ notice, the Vets had to transfer their program from the high school to the local American Legion. They doubted whether anyone would show up to hear them, but it turns out they needn’t have worried. Pete writes:
With barely 12 hours’ notice, over 200 people showed up — the Legion was standing room only — the crowd was spilling into the hallway. About two-dozen Forest Lake High School students skipped school to attend, holding signs that said “Support the Vets” and “We love our troops.” The outpouring of support from the community in Forest Lake was incredible, and we hope for an even larger crowd at tonight’s event.
Murrary commenting on Kiwiblog:
During the recent “we’re not terrorists, we just dress that way” march the mob stopped off in PN square to wave flags and abuse the locals.
As I was walking past the memorial one young camo wearing wannabe gangster told me it was time us whities gave him respect. I told him he’d be a lot closer to getting some “respect” if he got his ass off my great uncles name.