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The union says it, Idiot believes it, that settles it

Idiot really hates the idea of charter schools.

Destiny Church. They’ve announced plans to move their existing private school to South Auckland and re-establish it as a charter school in order to receive public funding.


No, they have not. What Idiot’s own source says:

Destiny Church could receive money from the public purse if it establishes a charter school as part of a proposed new complex in South Auckland, an education union says.

Destiny’s school will move sites. That’s a physicial move, and going to happen.

If it becomes a charter school, that’s an institutional change and is merely speculated by the teacher’s union. There’s not a single quote in the story from the church itself. It doesn’t even look like they bothered to ask for one.

In other words, pure scaremongering. I suspect that Brian Tamaki may consider the charter option, but he knows as well as anyone that such a move may result in future policy changes wiping out the entire point of his school.

This is what charter schools mean: giving taxpayer’s money to cults to peddle their wackiness, without being subject to the normal curriculum or normal educational standards.

Idiot of course assumes that the normal curriculum isn’t wackiness. I’m not entirely convinced of that myself.

Its about paying for indoctrination, rather than education. But that is no business of the education system, and not something that government money should be spent on.

Idiot better be careful, he’s committing left-wing heresy here. Using the school system for indoctrination and social engineering is a pretty solid plank of any left wing movement. I’ve heard educators on National Radio proclaiming that they consider the job of the system exactly that, and they made it explicitly clear that they did not think that was a bad thing in the slightest.

I for one sincerely hope that Idiot continues such calls!

Update: Well, I stand corrected – to some degree. Brian is making it clear that he wants government funding for many parts of the project, on the basis that his church keeps people out of jail.

He’s actually right there. One thing that Destiny has done that is good is taking a bunch of young people and gave them discipline, turning around their lives. I noted a while back that NZ First put out a press release congratulating them for that, and today the Maori Party is doing the same. But I’m getting off topic.

Thing is, Brian is about money. (Well, he’s about Brian first but money is a close second.) So he’s clearly decided in this instance that he’s more than happy to risk the beurcracy’s backlash and play the game for what he can get out. When I wrote the above, I was thinking in terms of the Christian Schools I’ve known. Seems I would do well to remember that Brian continues down the road towards founding a mind control cult, with himself in the driver’s seat.

But one thing that did not feature in the TV One story: there was no claim that they were re-founding their school as a charter school. So (to the best of my knowledge) Idiot’s claim remains completely false.

Hey Brian, Christianity is *that* way

Brian Tamaki keeps moving towards becoming a full fledged cult.

In the sermons, Bishop Tamaki said he had been preparing his followers for a year to receive the revelation God gave him about the resurrection, so they could “understand what the Bible is really saying”.

He told the congregation they would doubt his teaching, unless they also had the revelation, because of “too many forces and too much teaching and too much backlog of religion”.

“You must get out of your mind that, that Jesus Christ is now, ah, is still Jesus of Nazareth … But Jesus did not come out of the tomb. The flesh Jesus died in the tomb.”

Bishop Tamaki went on to say that theologians and other Christian teachers would have difficulty accepting his teaching.

So Brian has had a revelation that has eluded every single theologian of all time. I wonder why I haven’t heard this in my John Piper pod-casts, or read about this in Calvin’s Institutes. Maybe those guys didn’t pray enough?

Or maybe they didn’t have a gang of lieutenants who had sworn loyalty to never question the bosses orders.

Here’s what I said previously:

What really irks me about the whole Destiny thing is that Brian should know exactly what his problems are. It’s well documented what behaviors are indicative of a cult, and there’s no shortage of people pointing out where Destiny is venturing near to those behaviors.

But he continues down that road anyway.

And that’s the problem. A real church would be striving to be less cult-like and address such criticism while keeping faithful to the scriptures. Early on, the allegations of cult-like behaviour could be excused. With more and more examples coming out, it becomes impossible to excuse such things and only one conclusion can be forthcoming.

Empty words from an empty columnist

Sheesh, Rudman’s column today is so full of nonsense it’s hard to know where to start.

Don’t you wish Bishop Tamaki and John Campbell would stop all their highly public flirting and just meet up?

Well, it’s hardly like John’s been avoiding Tamaki- it’s Tamaki who’s hiding from his most strident critic. In fact, John’s been trying so hard to get responses to his questions that he’s been accused of stalking.

If the jousting goes on much longer, I’ll start to think it’s all a publicity promo for the Destiny leader’s new pre-breakfast time show on John’s channel.

As much as I dislike John Campbell’s political views, I don’t believe for one moment that he’s interested in anything other than exposing something that is wrong. I do however believe that Rudman is making that statement for his publicity.

There was a time when I might have joined the fulminating about how super-salesman Brian Tamaki was brain-washing simple folk into parting with their hard-earned cash so he could enjoy the good life. But on reflection that does seem rather patronising.

Oh, someone‘s being patronising.

If people want to hand over 10 per cent or more of their hard-earned cash in the hope of a life of luxury in the kingdom to come, then more fools them. But it’s a free world and the good bishop is only repeating what popes and other prelates of the established churches have been preaching for 2000 years.

So one minute it’s a brain-washing cult, the next minute we should leave people to exercise their free judgment. That would be the free judgment that doesn’t exist in a mind control cult one presumes?

While popes and other prelates have been known to accumliate vast wealth, it’s generally agreed today that those that did were in most cases wrong. I see no reason to make a mistake today, just because someone made one 500 years ago. It’s called learning from history Mr Rudman.

My advice to his followers would be to invest the money in a Lotto ticket instead, and take a punt on a lifestyle change for the better in the now and present. But if people convince themselves of the need to clutch a religious Linus blanket, then why not Bishop Brian’s brand?

Well, we won’t be taking any financial advice from Brian Rudman very soon.


It’s not as though he squirrels away his loot and pretends to a humble life of poverty. He flaunts his boat and his flash motorcars and claims from the pulpit that he deserves it.

As Peter Lineham, associate professor of religious history at Massey University pointed out last year, “unhealthy over-deference” to religious leaders isn’t new to New Zealand churches. He noted how the founder of the Ratana Church was considered a mouthpiece of God.

Well, then get Campbell onto Ratana too! We don’t stop prosecuting crooks just because there’s moer out there.

Pacific Island congregations can also treat their leaders with great respect. My colleague Tapu Misa a few years back criticised her old Porirua Samoan Church when the leaders got the parishioners “to cough up” $500 for each family to shout the minister a $20,000 holiday in Samoa.

Some rebels among the congregation pointed out the minister owned four houses worth $750,000 and lived rent-free in a church house, paying neither power nor phone bills.

Again, as a christian I’m saying we should shine the spotlight on these practices – it’s desperately needed.

In this you can’t help noting, these new-to-New Zealand churches are only aping the past practices of the old churches. The Anglicans seem to be going through a sackcloth and ashes phase at present, but it’s not so long back that their prelates lived in palaces and answered to My Lord.

There was as much genuflecting to them as to the Lord they were supposed to be worshipping. Even the old vicarages were substantial residences.

The better question is not how big the house is, but rather how many are fed and slept there. I suspect that many large houses were originally intended for the minister to practice charity. Our last church had a substantial number of bedrooms, but was frequently loaned out whole to visitors. The change from this to a house that’s a reflection of wealth can be a simple relaxing of zeal over time, and again this must be challenged!

And if tithing is not now in fashion, it’s partly because the large land banks built up in the first years of settlement provide a financial cushion the newcomer churches don’t enjoy.

Probably, but even in churches that don’t have such banks, no one is pressured to give more than they can afford, or any specific amount, or to the church at the exclusion of other charities- those are the issues here.

I find the claims on Bishop Tamaki’s website that he’s “the physical manifestation of God” and that “as the Last Days unfold, Bishop Tamaki will undoubtedly come under increasing attack from his enemies” rather loopy. But I find it rather one-sided that there seems to be open season on the Destiny Church, while the similarly whacky beliefs of the mainstream churches go unremarked.

Clearly not someone who reads blogs like Not PC…

The poor old Catholics, for example, have had to call time out in their fast-tracking of Pope John Paul’s ascension into sainthood. Seems that three years ago a bed-ridden French nun provided the “miracle” needed to prove John Paul was saintly.

She said she’d prayed all night to him and awoken cured of her Parkinson’s disease. There was jubilation in the Vatican. The poor nun has now had a relapse, exposing the silliness of the whole process.

Yea, thing is with the Catholic church is we protestants started the criticism about 500 years ago. Today, we consider that an old story. But if you look around, there’s still plenty of coverage.

To me, the sensible thing to do where religion is concerned is to ignore it and it will eventually go away. At the last census in 2006, 1.3 million New Zealanders – a third of the population – happily declared themselves heathens. Another 12 per cent either didn’t answer or refused to answer the question.

Sigh. Once again Rudman ignores the big problem: Destiny is turning into a cult, which expresses unhealthy levels of control over it’s members. The fear is that soon, it will be impossible to leave. In other words, potentially this is not some problem that will just “go away” short of some sort of Jim Jones mass suicide.

Given the low turn-out and advanced age of most church attendees, one presumes that this year’s census will show a further increase in the ranks of non-believers.

Even amongst the Christians, many seem to be having a bet each way. The Anglican dean of Auckland a few years ago confessed to not believing in Adam and Eve or that there was any proof of the virgin birth.

Yes, meaning that he is in fact an atheist. Many churches are today led by atheists, which leads to the aging congratulation mentioned as the only reason to stay is “I’ve always gone on Sunday”. Churches that are not lead by atheists, where the gospel is preached, are in fact growing quite smartly and attracting large numbers of young people.

And just a couple of weeks back, Archdeacon Glynn Cardy, vicar of St Matthew-in-the-City, spoke up in support of a group of atheists who had been blocked by New Zealand Bus from running ads on its buses reading “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy life.”

Mr Cardy argued that free speech was good. True, but hardly a ringing endorsement of one’s product.

Actually, I’d say it was exactly that. But he was also right – the church is founded on both faith and reason, and has nothing to fear from the campaign.

What struck me about the advertisement was why the organisers were bothering.

With the $23,000 they’d already collected, why didn’t they take a leaf from Bishop Tamaki’s book, and, as their advertisement says, “stop worrying and enjoy life”.

Funny how people worry so much. Perhaps Rudman should stop worrying about John Campbell trying to get answers and simply let him do his job?

Life of Brian – Money

Just watching “Life of Brian”. He’s very open, joking a lot about things that most people would be hiding.

The attitude to money however, is appaling.

He can spend all he likes of his salarly on clothes and shoes, houses and parties, but the church should agree on what to pay him. But he controls the church.

Plus, he personally gets the “first fruits”. Disgusting.

They also had a clip of them talking about the offering, about what sort of money they want, about how this is their favourite part of the service. I bet.

Few people know that Tamaki is wealthy outside of his church activities due to his tourism interests, (and I doubt that’s going to be mentioned) but that is absolutely no excuse to take money and put it directly into ones own pocket. They tried to claim poverty by saying that they have a large mortgage. Sorry, buy a smaller house – what they have is a mansion.

I see he has 3 motorbikes in his garage. It’s great that he breaks the stereotypes, but 3 bikes?!?

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