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Student Admits Support for Mass Murder of Jews

Hat Tip.

Transcript.

MSA member: Good evening, I just wanted to say thank you for coming to campus tonight and presenting your point of view, its always important to have to sets of, ah, views going on at the same time. Um, very useful.  My name is Jumanah Imad Albahri and I’m a student here at UCSD. Ah I was reading your literature, I found that much more interesting than your talk, and I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that is very active on campus and is hosting our annual “Hitler Youth” week, you should come out to those events. Um, if you could clarify the connection between the MSA and Jihad terrorist networks, because last time I checked, we had to do our own fundraising, and we never get help from anyone.  So if you could clarify the connection between UCSD’s MSA or if you don’t have such information, if you could connect other MSA’s on UC’s, because the connection wasn’t to clear in the pamphlet, just if you could clarify.

Horowitz: Okay.  Will you condemn Hamas, here and now?

MSA member: I’m sorry, what?

Horowitz: Will you condemn Hamas?

MSA member: Would I condemn Hamas?

Horowitz: As a terrorist organization.  Genocidal organization.

MSA member: Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?

Horowitz: So you won’t.  I have actually had this experience many times.  You didn’t actually read the pamphlet, because the pamphlet is chapter and verse. The main connection is that the MSA is part of the Muslim Brotherhood Network as revealed…

MSA member: I don’t think you understood what I meant by that.  I meant if I say something, I am sure that I will be arrested, for reasons of homeland security.  So if you could please just answer my question.

Horowitz: If you condemn Hamas, Homeland Security will arrest you?

MSA member: If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas.  If I support Hamas, I look really bad.

Horowitz: If you don’t condemn Hamas, obviously you support it.  Case closed.  I have had this experience at UC Santa Barbara, where there were 50 members of the Muslim Students Association sitting right in the rows there.  And throughout my hour talk I kept asking them, will you condemn Hizbollah and Hamas. And none of them would.  And then when the question period came, the president of the Muslim Students Association was the first person to ask a question. And I said, ‘Before you start, will you condemn Hizbollah?’ And he said, ‘Well, that question is too complicated for a yes or no answer.’  So I said, ‘Okay, I’ll put it to you this way.  I am a Jew. The head of Hizbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn’t have to hunt us down globally.  For or Against it?

MSA member: For it.

Horowitz: Thank you for coming and showing everybody what’s here.

There are some comments that Horowitz was dodging the original question. The answer to his question-in-reply reveals that her question is quite irrelevant. Implicit in her question about the “connection between the MSA and Jihad terrorist networks” is that such connections are bad. Yet her answer to his question was that she considered mass-murder of Jewish people to be fine.

The Swiss Ban on Minarets

Interesting to see some of the local response to the ban in Switzerland. DPF:

This is simply a horrendous decision. Freedom of religion is a fundamental human right, and should not be at the whim of referenda.

No Right Turn.

This is an outright attack on freedom of religion, specifically the freedom of Muslims to build religious buildings, and if it was reversed and applied to e.g. church spires, people would instantly recognise this.

Here’s an Islamic cleric talking about why churches should not be allowed in Islamic countries. I don’t see any hint on his Wikipedia page that this guy is out of step with Islamic leadership (and I read elsewhere he has a following numbering in the millions), but feel free to correct me.

Confirming What Your Opponent Says

Seems like there’s been a few examples of this recently.Geert-Wilders-01_629815a

Geert Wilders, who is head of the Freedom Party, flew into Heathrow airport this morning after winning a court battle to enter the country.

Mr Wilders had been due to host a press conference on College Green, opposite the Palace of Westminster, at noon.

However, about thirty male activists from a group called Islam for UK began chanting: “Wilders burn in hell” and “Sharia for UK”.

Brandishing banners saying, “Sharia is the solution, freedom go to hell” and “Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment”, the protesters were held back by about fifty policemen.

Mr Wilders was advised not to confront or walk past the protesters and instead to hold his press conference in the nearby Abbey Gardens building used by members of the House of Lords.

Yep, that’s just the way to convince people you’re peace loving and non-violent.

Abu Muaz, from Islam For UK, said: “If I were to say some of the things he has said I would be arrested under the Terrorism Act. But because there is a war on Muslims he gets an easy ride.”

Funny, how many of those in the photo above were arrested? They seemed to have no trouble at all expressing death to various things including the freedom to protest.

He added: “When Muslims defend their faith, they are seen as extremists. This man [Wilders] has said more than enough. The future is bright, it is not orange, it is Islam.”

So reassuring.

Mohammed Shafiq, from the Ramadhan Foundation, said it was right that Mr Wilders had been allowed into the UK, but he should be closely monitored while in the country.

No problem: I have a feeling that he’ll be surrounded by security during his entire visit.

He said: “The right decision was made to let him in because we believe in freedom of speech in this country, no matter how abhorrent someone’s views are. But he has got to be monitored so that he doesn’t say anything to incite religious violence.

Something like… “The future is bright, it is not Islam, it is Orange”.

“If you start attacking somebody’s faith in the way that he has, they could react violently. Islam is not above criticism, and criticism based on a mutual respect and tolerance is fine. But his hatred is no different to the intolerance that the BNP and the far-Right are preaching.”

Actually, Wilders’ main point is that Islam must reject violence. Most people would consider that to be a first step towards “mutual respect and tolerance”. Threatening violence, as you are doing, means you really want people to say things that suit you or you’ll kill them. That’s not mutual respect and tolerance, that’s intimidation and subjugation.

The Muslim Council of Britain branded Mr Wilders “a relentless preacher of hate” and objected to “the rapturous welcome he is receiving in the name of free speech”.

So you are upset by those signs?

Muhammad Abdul Bari, it’s secretary-general, said: “At a time of heightened tension, with the unprecedented rise of the far-Right, we must all pull together and focus on points of unity and cohesion. Our unhealthy obsession with divisive figures only bolsters their objective to sow discord on the streets of Britain.”

Perhaps you could also focus on peace, love and tollerance – you seem to have unity and cohesion reasonably sorted.

Liberty Scott weighs in:

The UK government has for far too long been concerned about “offending Muslims”, when in fact the freedom and right to offend whoever you wish is fundamental to British society. It is not racism, it is criticism of a philosophy, a point of view. Being Muslim is not something you have that is inate, it is, or should be, a conscious choice. If you say “freedom go to hell” then I say “to hell with you and your ideas”. You are then the enemy.

If you cannot stand a society that criticises your strongly held beliefs and allows debate and derision of them, if you would rather threaten and use force to stop others offending you, then there is a better answer that should make you happier, and would make most Britons happier…

leave.

Not a good look

This does not seem like the way to prove you’re a non-violent religion.

Skirmishes broke out between police and Muslim youths in North London last night as large crowds gathered to defend a mosque that had been targeted by anti-Islam campaigners.

Groups of youths, in ski masks and motorcycle helmets, threw bottles and set off fireworks in front of riot police, who used kettling tactics to contain a crowd of up to 2,000 outside Harrow central mosque. Seven people were arrested for possession of offensive weapons including a hammer, chisel and a bottle of bleach. Another man was arrested “to prevent a breach of the peace”, police said.

Hundreds of Muslim youths and anti-fascist campaigners gathered to confront a fringe right-wing group calling itself Stop Islamification of Europe (SIOE). The group had threatened to hold a rally at the site, where a new five-storey mosque is under construction, but organisers said that they had called off the march at the request of police.

Attacking the police is stupid at the best of times, but it sounds like they were there to protect the mosque. The fact that they were attacked for their trouble (and SOIE called off their march at police request) surely proves the exact opposite point to the one the mosque leadership would like to make.

It is the fanatics who march

No Minister published this, and it’s something that is worth repeating, over and over and over.

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A German’s View on Islam by a man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. ‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories. We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims an d homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts–the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think about it, and send it on – before it’s too late.

Yusuf Islam coming to Dunedin

What is Peter Chin thinking!

Yusuf Islam, the peace activist and singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, may come to Dunedin to give the Dunedin Abrahamic Interfaith Group’s 2009 Peace Lecture.

Progress was being made on confirming a visit, after emailing him for four years, group chairman the Rev Greg Hughson said yesterday.

While in Britain on study leave recently, Mr Hughson met Islam’s public relations manager and delivered a formal invitation signed by Dunedin Mayor Peter Chin.

“The response was he was keen to come, providing he could fit it into his busy schedule.”

I’d heard that Yousuf had raised money for terrorist-linked charities.

Well, I had a look around and it seems it’s true.

Yusuf Islam is linked to Hamas through the following charitable associations due to both direct contributions and public speaking engagements. Islam was denied entry to Israel in 1990 due to suspected charitable donations to a Hamas charity during a 1988 visit (“Israel Bans”). He has written an informational packet for the Islamic Association for Palestine, a group alleged to have ties to Hamas, titled “Eyewitness” (Schlussel). Islam had a speaking engagement for the group Jerusalem Fund for Human Service in 1998, “that has been identified by the Canadian government as a Hamas front group” (Spencer). He has helped raise money for the Relief Fund for Lebanon and Palestine, a British charitable group labeled as Hamas affiliated (Malkin). It is important to note that Islam’s own charity Small Kindness has never been linked with Hamas. However, the link between Islam and other charitable organizations that support Hamas is clearly established. This linkage does not make him a terrorist unless Hamas itself is a terrorist organization. The question remains; is Hamas a terrorist group?

I thought this was pretty credible as a source, given they then find it easier to deny that Hamas is a terrorist organisation than to deny Yousuf Islam’s links to them.

And why exactly has he been invited to Dunedin?

Christians attack Muslims

You know, you hear so much about how violent Christianity is as opposed to Islam.

Now I understand, those people watch too much TV.

Some Muslims are more Moderate than Others

Remember this next time you hear about what “moderate” muslims are saying.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the majority of Muslims in the world simply do not behave like jihad terrorists. But how many of them actually and actively disapprove of those jihadist deeds? How many are working against the spread of the jihad ideology within Muslim communities?

And who are the “mainstream scholars” to which Yusuf Smith refers? Ali Eteraz offered a list of Muslims condemning terrorism that included Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who has endorsed suicide attacks against Israeli civilians; Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, who has also endorsed such attacks; Mohamed Elmasry, who has limited the legitimacy of such attacks to Israelis over the age of 18; CAIR, which has been named an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case and has had several of its officials convicted on various terror-related charges; and Siraj Wahhaj, who testified as a character witness for the jihadist Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.

Why am I left wondering if the most “moderate” Muslims might be more radical than the most “radical” Christians.

Muslims will never accept equality

It’s not well known in the west just how hard it is to setup churches in Muslim countries – almost impossible in most cases.

But someone has come up with a compromise: if the Pope becomes Muslim, they’ll allow a catholic church.

Anwar Ashiqi, president of the Saudi centre for Middle East strategic studies, endorsed this view in an interview on the site of Arab satellite TV network, al-Arabiya on Thursday.

“I haven taken part in several meetings related to Islamic-Christian dialogue and there have been negotiations on this issue,” he said.

“It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed.”

“If they don’t recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?”

Given that by definition only a Muslim can do that, what this really is is a demand to submit. Can you imagine it if a Mosque’s resource consent was predicated on the Imam going to the local cathedral and stating that Jesus is the Son of God?

They’ll get away with it while our media obsesses minor Christian transgressions, ignoring the outright persecution in the middle east.

How Many Jihadists does it take to change a light bulb?

Well, I don’t actually know if they have light bulbs, but Jihad Watch have uncovered a seriously screwy survey. Actually, the survey is fine – it’s just the reporting of it that’s up the wall.

You’ve got to read the entire thing, but after trying to reassure us all that everything’s fine…

WASHINGTON (AFP) – A huge survey of the world’s Muslims released Tuesday challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.

The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.

They then drop some clangers.

About 93 percent of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.

In majority Muslim countries, overwhelming majorities said religion was a very important part of their lives — 99 percent in Indonesia, 98 percent in Egypt, 95 percent in Pakistan.

But only seven percent of the billion Muslims surveyed — the radicals — condoned the attacks on the United States in 2001, the poll showed.

7% of 1.3 billion is…. 91 million. Well, that’s a nice small number of potential terrorists isn’t it!

The survey shows radicals to be neither more religious than their moderate counterparts, nor products of abject poverty or refugee camps.

“The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims,” John Esposito, who co-authored “Who Speaks for Islam”, said….

So much for poor disenfranchised innocents who are ignorant of the real meaning of Islam.

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